share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...

topic posted Thu, August 18, 2005 - 11:29 AM by  sameer
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Hi

Is anyone interested in seeing what kaida variations we can come up with for:

Ge Na Kut Ta | Ge Ge Na Kut
Ta Ge Ge Na | Tu Na Ke Na

1st Var (from zakir-ji's workshop)

Ge Na Kut Ta | Ge Ge Na Ge
Na Kut Ta Ge| Ge Na Ge Na
Kut Ta Ge Ge| Na Ge Na Kut
Ta Ge Ge Na | Tu Na Ke Na

next?
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sameer
SF Bay Area
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  • x Dha-TeTe GheReNaGa GheReNaGha Dhet- - - |
    2 Dha-Dha- GheReNaGa Tu-Na- KeReNaKa|
    0 Ta-TeTe KeReNaKa KeReNaKa Tet- - - |
    3 Dha-Dha- GheReNaGa Dhi-Na- GheReNaGa|
    • kyah bhat hai, nice composition. here's a variation, tell me whether you like it:

      x Dha - TeTe GeReNaGa GeReNaGe TeTeGeRe
      2 NaGeGeRe NaGeTeTe GeReNaGe Dhet - - -
      o Dha-TeTe GheReNaGa GheReNaGha Dhet- - - |
      3 Dha-Dha- GheReNaGa Tu-Na- KeReNaKa
      • Inbetween hostels right now so I'll have to play it later, but the bols roll from my tongue with some funk latent playfullness. I give it a two yums up!
        • oh my it's almost 5 in the morning (how tribe can make one lose all sensibilities....) and i just found this thread, and i have to say thank you thank you thank you! bringing me back to tabla land...(been immersed in bellydance land, it's good there too...) but really, i studied with Kishan Maharaj and his son Prakash Maharaj in Benares back in '93 and you guys are posting bols i learned...aah this is so good so good...i'd say this must be a sign that it's time to start playing again...
          • Yasmina,

            What you tell me is very hard to believe. I studied with Kisham Maharaj many years ago in Benaras and what I remember is that he would be way to conservative to teach a female. Last a recall, as part of a very traditional brahmin family, the female members of the family weren't instructed in tabla. Did you become a disciple, aka gunda-bandth? Last I recall he only accpeted disciples as students but maybe this was diffrent in the past. I dont mean to doubt your sincereity, I'd be very interested in connecting with you as I have never met another westerner who has studied with Kishan Maharaj.
            • hi MIke!
              i was first taken to see Kishan Maharaj, and he had just had eye surgery, and so sent me to his son Prakash Maharaj, and i had a lesson in his family's home each evening. When Kishan Maharaj recovered he would come by, watch and comment, (and wave his cane in my face!) but it was his son who was my main teacher. i was invited to become a disciple on my next visit (i was there only two months the first time), but regretfully i didnt go back to Benares as i'd planned. i do think it is unusual for a woman to study tabla, but as i was introduced to them through their family friend, they treated me as a guest, and they seemed pleased that i was interested in studying.
              You're correct the female members of his family were not instructed in tabla. Prakash's daughter did not study music, though she danced beautifully. Last letter i received from Prakash Maharaj said both his sons are now very accomplished musicians.
              that's great you had the opportunity to study with Kishan Maharaj.
  • here's a 2nd Variation for this one:

    Ge Na Kut Ta | Ge Ge Na Ge
    Ge Ne Ge Ge | Na Ge Ge Na
    Ge Na Kut Ta | Ge Ge Na Kut
    Ta Ge Ge Na | Tu Na Ke Na

    3rd Variation

    Ge Na Kut Ta | Ge Ge Na Kut
    Ta Ge Ge Na | Ge Ge Na Kut
    Ta Ge Ge Na | Ge Ge Na Kut
    Ta Ge Ge Na | Tu Na Ke Na
    • hi i am Chaman Lal a keen disciple of Ustd Ghulam Shabir Khan sb s/o Late.Ustd Mahooq Ali Khan Sb of Punjab Gharana from Pakistan.[Ustd Mashooq ALi Khan sb were senior disciple of Late.Ustd Mian Kadir Baksh Khan Sb of Punjab Gharana and Ustad Allah Rakha Khan sb were also disciple of Ustd.Mian Kadir Baksh Khan sb. And Ustad Ghulam Shabir Khan Sb and Ustad Zakir Hussain Khan sb are disciple Of Late.Ustad Kahilifa Akhter Hussain Khan Sb of Punjab Gharana from Pakistan though both have learned tabla form their own fathers]...Here are some uniqe Thekas and kaidas for tabla lover from me...

      A Unique Classical Jhap Taal Theka (10beats):
      1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
      dhin tit.kit dhin dhin nag Tin tit.kit dhin dhin nag

      Another Theka of Jhap Taal is:
      1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
      dhin na kard.dhin kard.dhin.dhin na Tin na kard.dhin kard.dhin.dhin na

      Kaida for Jhap Taal Practice is:

      Dha Dha tit kit dha tit kit dha tit kit
      Ta Ta tit kit dha tit kit dha tit kit

      Tehai for this kaida is:
      1. Dha Dha tit kit dha tit kit dha tit kit dha-ti-dha
      2. Dha Dha tit kit dha tit kit dha tit kit dha-ti-dha
      3. Dha Dha tit kit dha tit kit dha tit kit dha-ti-dha

      Another Kaida for Jhap Taal is:
      Dha gy tit dha gy na gy tin na kina dha gy na gy tin na kina
      Ta gy tit dha gy na gy dhin na ghina dha gy na gy dhin na ghina

      Tehai for this kaida is:
      1. Dha gy tit dha gy na gy tin na kina dha gy na gy tin na kina
      Ta gy tit dha gy na gy dhin na ghina dha gy na gy dhin na ghina
      dha-ke-dha-ti-da
      2. Dha gy tit dha gy na gy tin na kina dha gy na gy tin na kina
      Ta gy tit dha gy na gy dhin na ghina dha gy na gy dhin na ghina
      dha-ke-dha-ti-da
      3. Dha gy tit dha gy na gy tin na kina dha gy na gy tin na kina
      Ta gy tit dha gy na gy dhin na ghina dha gy na gy dhin na ghina
      dha-ke-dha-ti-da

      A 9beats Taal is:
      1 2 3 4 5 6 *7 8 9
      dhin tit.kit dhin dha.ti tin na dha.gy .na.dha.tit.kit
      It should be note that bols from beat 7 to 9 should be performed in three beats in wavy style..

      Kaida for 9beats practice:

      XDha Dha tit kit
      Dha Dha tit kit tit kit
      Dha Dha tit kit
      Dha Dha tin na
      0Khali
      Ta Ta tit kit
      Dha Dha tit kit tit kit
      Dha Dha tit kit
      Dha Dha tin na

      Tehai for this kaida is:
      1. Dha Dha tit kit Dha Dha tit kit tit kit dha-ti-dha
      2. Dha Dha tit kit Dha Dha tit kit tit kit dha-ti-dha
      3. Dha Dha tit kit Dha Dha tit kit tit kit dha-ti-dha

      • BRAHMA TAAL (Theka in 28 Beats)

        10 - Taali, 4 - khali.

        1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

        9 10

        Dha Tet | Dhet Kita | Taka Dhuma | Kita Taka | Dhet Ta |

        X 0 2 3 0


        11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20

        Dhet Ta | Dhage Tete | Tage Tete | Thun Na | Kat Ta |

        4 5 6 0 7


        21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 X

        Din Ta | Kete Taga | Tete Kata | Gadi Ghene | Dha

        8 9 10 0
        • Here's a beautiful qaida for chartaal ki sawari
          (source : Tabla Mridang Sagar by Principal Dayal Singh)

          Dhage Tit Dhage Nage Tina Kina
          Dha Traka Dhikit Dhage Dhit Dhit
          Dha Trake Dhikit Dhage Dhit Dhit
          Dhage Nage Tina Kina

          and the khali

          Take Tit Take Nake Tina Kina
          Ta Traka Tikit Take Tit Tit
          Dha Trake Dhikit Dhage Dhit Dhit
          Dhage Nage Tina Kina
          • 16 beats Gut: ustad sheikh dawood khan sb

            DHINA GIDA NAGA DHINA DHAGE TRAKA TOONA KATHA
            TAKITA TA KITA DHAGE TRAKA DHINA GHIDA NAGA
            GHINA KATA GHE GHE NAGA DHINA TOONA KIDA NAGA
            TAKA DHINA TAKA DHINA DHAGE TRAKA TOONA KATHA
            • Tripalli COMPOSITION Jhaptal (10beats)

              DhaTraka DhiKit KataGa DiGaNa Dha
              DhaTrakaDhi KitKata GaDiGaNa DhaDhaTra kaDhiKit
              KataGaDi GaNaDha-- ---- DhaTrakDhiKit KataGaDigaNa
              DhaDhaTrak DhiKitKataGa DigaNaDha DhaTrakDhiKit KataGaDigaNa

              COMMENTS
              - Tripalli means a composition using three layas (Tempos) - This tripalli is having another unique thing that the first tempo is repeated once , second one twice and third one thrice forming tihayi. - Simplicity is the assence of beuty !! Isn't it ?

              • Chakradar COMPOSITION Tintal Punjab

                [Dha-nDhi KiTeDhaTre KreDhiTeTe KaTreKreDhi
                TiTeKaTa GiDiGiNe Dha-KiTeTaKe Dhin--Dhin
                --NaNa KiTeDha- nDha-n Dha-KiTeTake
                Dhin--Dhin --NaNa KiTeDha- nDha-n
                Dha-KiTeTake Dhin--Dhin --NaNa KiTeDha-
                nDha-n Dha] *3

                -----[same composition completely written out]------

                x Dha-nDhi KiTeDhaTre KreDhiTeTe KaTreKreDhi |
                2 TiTeKaTa GiDiGiNe Dha-KiTeTaKe Dhin--Dhin |
                o --NaNa KiTeDha- nDha-n Dha-KiTeTake |
                3 Dhin--Dhin --NaNa KiTeDha- nDha-n |
                x Dha-KiTeTake Dhin--Dhin --NaNa KiTeDha- |
                2 nDha-n Dha-Dha- nDhiKiTe DhaTreKreDhi |
                o TeTeKaTre KreDhiTiTe KaTaGiDi GiNeDha- |
                3 KiTeTaKeDhin- -Dhin-- NaNaKiTe Dha-nDha |
                x -nDha- KiTeTakeDhin- -Dhin-- NaNaKiTe |
                2 Dha-nDha -nDha- KiTeTakeDhin- -Dhin-- |
                o NaNaKiTe Dha-nDha -nDha- Dha-nDhi |
                3 KiTeDhaTre KreDhiTeTe KaTreKreDhi TiTeKaTa |
                x GiDiGiNe Dha-KiTeTaKe Dhin--Dhin --NaNa |
                2 KiTeDha- nDha-n Dha-KiTeTake Dhin--Dhin |
                o --NaNa KiTeDha- nDha-n Dha-KiTeTake |
                3 Dhin--Dhin --NaNa KiTeDha- nDha-n |
                x Dha

                COMMENTS
                "This is the phrase for a Chakradhar I composed based on comps from Punjab and Benaras. The main emphasis is on the use of Dhin in the Tihai section of the piece. This sound is supposed to mimic the use of Meend in Raag. This was what I borrowed from the Original 'Farmaishi' piece of Benaras. Of course this phrase will be repeated 3 times in all as a Bedum Chakradhar. The 'n' bols are using the middle and ring finger both on the edge of the syahi or just the ring finger."

                Chaman Lal +92-333-3256772

                • Peshkar COMPOSITION Tintal

                  x Dha-Kre-Dha-Dhin- --Dha-Te-Te- Dha-Ti-Dha-Ghe Ti-Na-Kin--- |
                  2 TeReKeTeDha-Dhin- --(DhereDhere)Kot-Na- Dha-Ti-Dha-Ghe Ti-Na-Kin--- |

                  COMMENTS
                  "DhereDhereKot is played really fast.....it sets you up for a lot of tereketes and dhere dheres at the end of the presentation...
                  also contains main bols to play in 3's for more variational properties."
                  The entire (DhereDhere) takes one quarter of a matra to perform.
                  Kot is a dead stroke on the dagga (like kut).
                  • This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
                    Peshkar COMPOSITION Tintal Farukhabad Gharana By: Ustad Ahmedjan Thirakwa

                    x
                    Dhin-Kr DhinTa -Ta DhinTa
                    Dha-Kr DhaTi DhaDha DhinTa
                    Tik-Dha -KrDha TikDha DhaTi
                    Dha-Kr DhaTi DhaDha DhinTa
                    KeReNaKa Tu-Na- KeReNaKe TinGeTiNa
                    KiNaTaKe TiRaKiTa TaKeTraKa TiNaKiNa
                    Tik-GeNa -NaDhaGe Dhin-Ta- GeNa-Na
                    DhaGeDhin- Ta-GeNa -NaDhaGe Dhin-Ta-
                    COMMENTS
                    Two traditional peshkars mixed in one by Ustad Ahmedjan Thirakwa, with tihai from khali. Tik (3rd line)= a kind of hard "Te" with midle finger on Syahi. ti (3rd line, 4th beat)= tun
                    • Teen Taal Rela Punjab Gharana Ustad.Ghulam Shabir Khan

                      dha tit kit tik
                      Ta tit kit tik
                      Ta tit kit tik
                      dha tit kit tik

                      Tripalli Tehai for this rela is

                      1. dha tit kit tik
                      Ta tit kit tik
                      Ta tit kit tik
                      dha tit kit tik
                      dha tit kit tik
                      Ta tit kit tik
                      Ta tit kit tik
                      dha tit kit tik dha-ke-dha-te-dha
                      dha tit kit tik Ta tit kit tik dha-ke-dha-te-dha
                      dha tit kit tik Ta tit kit tik dha-ke-dha-te-dha (take one beat laspe)

                      2. dha tit kit tik
                      Ta tit kit tik
                      Ta tit kit tik
                      dha tit kit tik
                      dha tit kit tik
                      Ta tit kit tik
                      Ta tit kit tik
                      dha tit kit tik dha-ke-dha-te-dha
                      dha tit kit tik Ta tit kit tik dha-ke-dha-te-dha
                      dha tit kit tik Ta tit kit tik dha-ke-dha-te-dha (take one beat laspe)

                      3. dha tit kit tik
                      Ta tit kit tik
                      Ta tit kit tik
                      dha tit kit tik
                      dha tit kit tik
                      Ta tit kit tik
                      Ta tit kit tik
                      dha tit kit tik dha-ke-dha-te-dha
                      dha tit kit tik Ta tit kit tik dha-ke-dha-te-dha
                      dha tit kit tik Ta tit kit tik dha-ke-dha-te-dha (sum)

                      Comments:
                      Its very beautiful rela when is played with speed and its very beautifll tripalli....jst do it
  • Below peice is good for practising open tin and din with normal Na

    Dina gina dina gina Nati Takhe tina kina
    Tina Kina Tina Kina dati daghe dina gina

    Also try substituting Dati and Nai with Din
    e.g .D i n Takhe tina kina
    T i n Takke dinagina [kali Din]

    Variation on Da tit kaida

    1.

    da tit da tit dada tit takhe tina kina
    ta tit ta tit tata tit daghe dina gina

    2. da tit da ti dada x 3
    tit takhe tina kina

    3. da tit da tit
    dada tit tit tit x 3
    tit takhe tin kina

    Tin Taal Tukra

    Da Tit Da Tit DaDa Tit
    Titikittak Na Titikit Da x 3