Hi
Is anyone interested in seeing what kaida variations we can come up with for:
Ge Na Kut Ta | Ge Ge Na Kut
Ta Ge Ge Na | Tu Na Ke Na
1st Var (from zakir-ji's workshop)
Ge Na Kut Ta | Ge Ge Na Ge
Na Kut Ta Ge| Ge Na Ge Na
Kut Ta Ge Ge| Na Ge Na Kut
Ta Ge Ge Na | Tu Na Ke Na
next?
Is anyone interested in seeing what kaida variations we can come up with for:
Ge Na Kut Ta | Ge Ge Na Kut
Ta Ge Ge Na | Tu Na Ke Na
1st Var (from zakir-ji's workshop)
Ge Na Kut Ta | Ge Ge Na Ge
Na Kut Ta Ge| Ge Na Ge Na
Kut Ta Ge Ge| Na Ge Na Kut
Ta Ge Ge Na | Tu Na Ke Na
next?
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Sun, August 21, 2005 - 6:47 AMgreat idea - we should be posting more kaidas , compositions etc...
this gets my eternal *BUMP*
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Sun, August 21, 2005 - 9:59 PM2nd Var (dubagenic)
Ge Na Na Kut | Ta Ge Ge Na
Kut Ta Ge Na | Na Ge Na Kut
Ta Ge Na Na | Kut Ta Ge Ge
Na Na Ge Na | Ke Ke Tu Na -
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Tue, August 23, 2005 - 1:47 PMdo you think this variation should end with "tu na ke na"? since the theme ends with that?
and what's dubagenic?
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Wed, August 24, 2005 - 9:08 PMYes.... I think you may be right. We can repete the ending phrase :)
I have a question, altough. Being this composition written in tintal, shouldn't we leave the ringing bass strokes out on the 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th beats of the tal?
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Thu, August 25, 2005 - 12:27 PMThat's a good question. I honestly can't speak with any authority on the answer to this. But I believe different tabla soloists approach this idea differently. I've heard Ahmedjan, Zakir-ji, and Anindoda, and I believe most tabla players, just play bhari/khali back and forth w/o any strict adherence to the khali section of the taal. Perhaps, the symmetry of the compositions within the cycle are given more importance then the journey through one cycle of the taal. But, I've also heard that Pandit Nikhil Ghosh felt strongly about reflecting the khali of the taal within the tabla solo. So using the bhand (closed) strokes on the bayan for phrase of the compositions that are played through beats 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 (14 is bayan back) Ahhaaha tabla talk...I love it
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Tue, August 23, 2005 - 1:43 PMI agree! I love this stuff...so let's hear some variations
ge na kut ta | kut ta ge ge |
na ge ge na | tu na ke na |
theme)
or a new theme?
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Thu, September 8, 2005 - 1:34 PM(14)
Dha dhin - dha ge dhin -
ta tin - dha ge dhin -
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Fri, September 9, 2005 - 3:44 PMthis is cool,
Like Misra-jati, right?
Dha Te Te | Dha Dha Te Te
Na Te Te | Dha Dha Te Te
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Banaras represent!
Fri, September 23, 2005 - 3:28 AMDhiGa DhiNa TRKT DhiNa DhaGeNaDhiGa TiNaNa
TiKe TiNa TRKT DHiNa DhaGeNaDhiGa DhiNaNa -
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Re: Banaras represent!
Sun, September 25, 2005 - 10:46 PMWow, this is something I've never seen before. Very cool. I like the ending...DhaGeNaDhi GeDhiNaNa, that's pretty hip
Was Pandit Kishan Maharaj of Benares Gharana? Who are some of the other people to listen to get a taste of Benares Gharana...
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Re: Banaras represent!
Tue, September 27, 2005 - 10:36 PMYes, kishan Maharaj is the finest exponent of the banaras baj alive today. Check out Sharda Sahai (Saju Sahai, his son), and Samta Prasad if you can find his recordings. Kumar Bose was trained by Kishan Maharaj as was Sukhvinder Sing Namdhari but their styles are modern and thus mixed.
Chatur lal and his disciples also hail from Banaras but their style mixes more from other gharanas.
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Tue, October 18, 2005 - 9:50 AMGreat idea - sharing bols is helpful!
Here is a nice kaida from Lucknow that I learned from Shafaat Khan... If interested i can post variations as well. This is for Tin-taal madhya.
Dha te-te dha te-te dha-dha | te-te dha-ge tu-na ka-ta
ta te-te ta te-te ta-ta | te-te dha-ge dhi-na ge-na
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Wed, October 19, 2005 - 6:51 PMThis is a great composition! I will give a variation:
first var. is obvious - dha te te dha | te te dha dha (3x) te te dha ge | tu na ke na
next variation
Dha te te Dha | te te Dha te
Te Dha te te | Dha Dha te te
Dha te te Dha | te te Dha Dha
te te Dha ge | tu na ke na
khali...
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Thu, October 27, 2005 - 1:58 AMIt is possible that this is one of the themes found in most of the six main Gharanas. Regarding the Benares exponents, check out the album with Kishen Maharaj and Kumar Bose in duet! Elucidating! Liner notes detail how Benares tabla solo differs from Lucknow and Farukabhad. Great playing, with trading in 5's and 7's in Tintal. -
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Fri, November 4, 2005 - 1:18 PMYeah, thats sounds right...im not really sure whear the above comp is from, although it is very common. -
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Fri, November 11, 2005 - 3:04 PMWe also learned the same theme but in Jhaptal (10 beats):
(Dha Te te Dha Dha Te te)x2 Dha ge Tu na Ke na
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Fri, November 11, 2005 - 3:06 PMPS Chatur Lal is still one of my all-time favorite players; he must have spent hour after hour coing up with tihai's from every beat of dozens of Talas. Try to find some of his solos- it's amazing! Are any of his students currently on the scene? -
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Sun, January 15, 2006 - 6:23 PMYes, I study with Pandit Charangeet Chaturlal. :0)
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Tue, December 19, 2006 - 2:29 PM
x Dha-TeTe GheReNaGa GheReNaGha Dhet- - - |
2 Dha-Dha- GheReNaGa Tu-Na- KeReNaKa|
0 Ta-TeTe KeReNaKa KeReNaKa Tet- - - |
3 Dha-Dha- GheReNaGa Dhi-Na- GheReNaGa| -
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Wed, December 20, 2006 - 8:10 PMkyah bhat hai, nice composition. here's a variation, tell me whether you like it:
x Dha - TeTe GeReNaGa GeReNaGe TeTeGeRe
2 NaGeGeRe NaGeTeTe GeReNaGe Dhet - - -
o Dha-TeTe GheReNaGa GheReNaGha Dhet- - - |
3 Dha-Dha- GheReNaGa Tu-Na- KeReNaKa -
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Fri, December 22, 2006 - 5:22 PMInbetween hostels right now so I'll have to play it later, but the bols roll from my tongue with some funk latent playfullness. I give it a two yums up! -
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Sat, January 13, 2007 - 4:52 AMoh my it's almost 5 in the morning (how tribe can make one lose all sensibilities....) and i just found this thread, and i have to say thank you thank you thank you! bringing me back to tabla land...(been immersed in bellydance land, it's good there too...) but really, i studied with Kishan Maharaj and his son Prakash Maharaj in Benares back in '93 and you guys are posting bols i learned...aah this is so good so good...i'd say this must be a sign that it's time to start playing again... -
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Mon, January 22, 2007 - 4:15 PMkyah bhat hai...
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Sat, March 3, 2007 - 6:34 AMYasmina,
What you tell me is very hard to believe. I studied with Kisham Maharaj many years ago in Benaras and what I remember is that he would be way to conservative to teach a female. Last a recall, as part of a very traditional brahmin family, the female members of the family weren't instructed in tabla. Did you become a disciple, aka gunda-bandth? Last I recall he only accpeted disciples as students but maybe this was diffrent in the past. I dont mean to doubt your sincereity, I'd be very interested in connecting with you as I have never met another westerner who has studied with Kishan Maharaj. -
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Tue, March 13, 2007 - 1:31 PMhi MIke!
i was first taken to see Kishan Maharaj, and he had just had eye surgery, and so sent me to his son Prakash Maharaj, and i had a lesson in his family's home each evening. When Kishan Maharaj recovered he would come by, watch and comment, (and wave his cane in my face!) but it was his son who was my main teacher. i was invited to become a disciple on my next visit (i was there only two months the first time), but regretfully i didnt go back to Benares as i'd planned. i do think it is unusual for a woman to study tabla, but as i was introduced to them through their family friend, they treated me as a guest, and they seemed pleased that i was interested in studying.
You're correct the female members of his family were not instructed in tabla. Prakash's daughter did not study music, though she danced beautifully. Last letter i received from Prakash Maharaj said both his sons are now very accomplished musicians.
that's great you had the opportunity to study with Kishan Maharaj.
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Tue, March 27, 2007 - 10:54 AMThis thread is growing deviant.
I have been on a tangent of my own, from classical to kirtan's and chelesa's and such.
Trying to keep active despite New Mexico's seeming lack.
So the basic framework, from what I understand is based on something like Bhajan's:
+[dhin-] [na dhin] [-dhin] [na-]
0[dhin-] [na tin] [-tin] [na-]
What are some of the other rhythms used for these styles?
Tasty derivations?
Oh, and here's one for the kiddies: Delhi style
+ [dha- ghena tete dhaghe] [dhate tedha ghedha tete]
[ghena tete dhate tedha] [ghena dhaghe tina kena]
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Tue, March 27, 2007 - 2:52 PMMy fav variations change to triplets/sextuplets, but I am wondering how you would notate triplets. I guess the brackets would work?
[Dha ghe na] [trktnk] [dhin ghe na] [trktnk] [na k na] [ktnkdha-] [trktnk] [Dha dhin na]
[na kat na] [trktnk] [tin kat na] [trktnk] [na k na] [ktnkdha-] [trktnk] [Dha dhin na] -
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Tue, March 27, 2007 - 4:25 PMAck! I was supposed to base it on the original post! -
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Tue, March 27, 2007 - 9:45 PMYou did, good sir. It's a composition, is it not?
(-don't answer that)
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Wed, March 28, 2007 - 6:11 PMhey! This is very cool! I want to understand a little better:
Dha Ge Na, terekitetake, Dhi Ge Na, terekitetaka
Na Ka Na, kitetakaDha- , terekitetaka, Dha Dhin Na
(khali)
Na Ke Na, terekitetake, ti ke na, terekitetaka
Na Ka Na, kitetakaDha- , terekitetaka, Dha Dhin Na
all I gotta say is, welcome to the party, man. I'm going to practice this and a share a variation later...thank for the great contribution!
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Wed, April 11, 2007 - 6:49 PMhere's a 2nd Variation for this one:
Ge Na Kut Ta | Ge Ge Na Ge
Ge Ne Ge Ge | Na Ge Ge Na
Ge Na Kut Ta | Ge Ge Na Kut
Ta Ge Ge Na | Tu Na Ke Na
3rd Variation
Ge Na Kut Ta | Ge Ge Na Kut
Ta Ge Ge Na | Ge Ge Na Kut
Ta Ge Ge Na | Ge Ge Na Kut
Ta Ge Ge Na | Tu Na Ke Na
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Mon, August 20, 2007 - 5:00 AMBhaji How are are you playing KUT? -
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Fri, October 26, 2007 - 5:12 PMkut = ka = ke = flat hand on bayan
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Re: share a composition or kaida (ge na kut ta | ge ge na kut | ta ge ge na...
Mon, August 20, 2007 - 5:18 AMBelow peice is good for practising open tin and din with normal Na
Dina gina dina gina Nati Takhe tina kina
Tina Kina Tina Kina dati daghe dina gina
Also try substituting Dati and Nai with Din
e.g .D i n Takhe tina kina
T i n Takke dinagina [kali Din]
Variation on Da tit kaida
1.
da tit da tit dada tit takhe tina kina
ta tit ta tit tata tit daghe dina gina
2. da tit da ti dada x 3
tit takhe tina kina
3. da tit da tit
dada tit tit tit x 3
tit takhe tin kina
Tin Taal Tukra
Da Tit Da Tit DaDa Tit
Titikittak Na Titikit Da x 3
